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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 15, 2008 4:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

Anyone remember how he falsely accused marines of atrocities and still has no apologized or recanted, even though all but one are cleared as we speak?

Well he did it again:

WASHINGTON -- Democratic Rep. John Murtha said Wednesday his home base of western Pennsylvania is racist and that could reduce Barack Obama's victory margin in the state by 4 percentage points.

The 17-term Democratic congressman told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in a story posted Wednesday on its Web site: "There is no question that western Pennsylvania is a racist area."

You can't make this shit up. Imagine Fred Thompson saying that chicago is a racist area and mccain won't do well their because he is white (which is probabaly true but we are not allowed to say that). I imagine obama got more black votes than hillary, who was more qualified and almost identical platformwise.

Let's ignore that fact and go register more disney characters.

Let the hating on me begin again...

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Poster: alycabally Date: Oct 15, 2008 4:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

Is this the "coward" idiot-wind Jeanne Schmidt called out? Classic stuff. While you are on it, ask Jeanne Schmidt why she wanted to bring toxic waste to southeastern Ohio so the "poor whites" she referred to could get jobs.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 15, 2008 5:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

" Imagine Fred Thompson saying that chicago is a racist area and mccain won't do well their because he is white"

Well if there was a Black Republican that won the Primary there but lost the nomination to a white Republican then all of a sudden no one registered for that party supported the other candidate, I think you'd have a good arguement for it. Which is what happened only with hillary and obama. Come on man! How many people who register to a specific party vote for the other party? Not many, come on!. Undecided and Independants - sure, but not Republican and Dems.

I don't even know why I'm responding. Your last post was retarded.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 16, 2008 2:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

Well if there was a Black Republican that won the Primary there but lost the nomination to a white Republican then all of a sudden no one registered for that party supported the other candidate, I think you'd have a good arguement for it.

Not what I was saying, take the quote verbatum and that is what I meant, nothing more nothing less. Blacks voted for obama over hillary for no other apparent reason than he is black (which is only 50% correct at best, he is half white and has some semitic acncestry as well).

Which is what happened only with hillary and obama. Come on man! How many people who register to a specific party vote for the other party?

Again, not what I meant. I said imagine Fred Thompson saying that the black people did not vote for McCain because they are racist. Not sure why you are complicating it.

Not many, come on!. Undecided and Independants - sure, but not Republican and Dems.

Still not understanding what the hell you are talking about... black democrats turned the back on a more qualified person in their own party. He is the least experienced, anyone argue that is not true? He got most the black votes, in same cases 90% ranges. If 90% of white people voted against him it would be labelled racist, regardless of how dangerous he is to our country.

I don't even know why I'm responding. Your last post was retarded.

I think you answered that one, you are a nitwit. Sorry, since fenario has resorted to immature name calling, I thought I would be trendy and get in on shit for a change instead of standing my ground and being an individual.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 16, 2008 2:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

Hey, NC....Remember when you started railing about Obama's "links" to that terrorist Bill Ayers? Wonder what you think about McCain's links to THIS terrorist:


(reported by A.L. Bardach)

McCain's campaign has its own questionable connections to terrorists. Since John F. Kennedy's failed Bay of Pigs invasion, Florida's Cuban-Americans have been regarded as a reliable Republican voting block. And from 1960 until Sept. 11, 2001, some exile hard-liners in Miami endorsed a double standard on terrorism in which anti-Castro militants and bombers were judged to be "freedom fighters," regardless of the civilian deaths and collateral damage they caused in Cuba and the United States, as well as elsewhere. While the Cuban-American community has undergone dramatic changes—with the majority now supporting dialogue with Cuba and an end to restrictions on travel and remittances—hard-liners still control the major levers of power in Miami. Such is their clout in turning out reliable voters that McCain dropped his stance of 2000, when he said he would support normalizing relations with Cuba even under Fidel Castro. ("I'd be willing to do the same thing we did with—with Vietnam.") McCain has allied his campaign with the Cuban Liberty Council, an uncompromising anti-Castro group that has all but dictated policy to George W. Bush. Two of the council's most prominent members, media personality Ninoska Perez-Castellon and her husband, Roberto Martin Perez, have been among McCain's most dedicated campaigners and champions in Miami.

As a result, McCain's campaign and advisers find themselves allied with and/or supporting militants who have committed acts that any reasonable observer would define as terrorism. On July 20, while campaigning for McCain in Miami and just prior to speaking at a McCain event, Sen. Joe Lieberman met with the wife of convicted serial bomber Eduardo Arocena and promised to pursue a presidential pardon on his behalf. Arocena is the founder of the notorious Cuban exile militant group Omega 7, renowned for a string of bombings from 1975 to 1983. Arocena was convicted of the 1980 murder of a Cuban diplomat in Manhattan. In 1983, Arocena was arrested and charged with 42 counts pertaining to conspiracy, explosives, firearms, and destruction of foreign government property within the United States. He is currently serving a life sentence in federal prison in Indiana. His targets included:

Madison Square Garden (he blew up an adjacent store);
JFK airport (Arocena's group planted a suitcase bomb intended for a TWA flight to Los Angeles—in protest of the airline's flights to Cuba. The plane would have exploded if not for the fact that the bomb went off on the tarmac prior to being loaded);
Avery Fisher Hall at Lincoln Center (causing damage to three levels of the theater and halting the performance of a music group from Cuba);
the ticket office of the Soviet airline Aeroflot;
and a church.
He also attempted to assassinate the Cuban ambassador to the United Nations.

Arocena was also convicted of the 1979 murder of New Jersey resident Eulalio José Negrín. The 37-year-old Negrín, who advocated diplomacy with Cuba, was machine-gunned down as he stepped into his car, dying in the arms of his 13-year-old son.

(Nice. guess it only is an outrage when it's linked to a guy you alreayd despise...i.e. Obama)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 31, 2008 2:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Poop

This al-bardach?

www.huffingtonpost.com/al-bardach

I would probably investigate all the sources and find that it's a bias piece of fiction but I will look into it as far as I can without getting a creepy feeling. I do that because I am open minded.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Oct 15, 2008 5:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

Hating? I usually agree with NC's political posts. So much so, that there's never anything left to add, foo...

Racism exists in any and all directions, and anyone who can't see it is 'Discriminating' in a whole other way...

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Poster: byronious Date: Oct 15, 2008 9:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

If Fred Thompson said anything we wouldn't know it because nobody cares.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 16, 2008 12:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

Is Murtha a traitor for hurting the war effort?

Come on, white people have had the burden on them them for at least 500 years -- and the savages have yet to be grateful.

Just kidding. We all know whites in majority force or threaten others (lately with total annihilation) to carry 'The Weight' for them. It'll all be clarified 'When the Ship Comes In' (I prefer Arlo Guthrie's version to Dylan).

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Oct 16, 2008 5:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

No, Murtha is a traitor for smearing marines with documented falsehoods.

"We all know white people...".....lol. This would be problematic if you were a serious person, but since you are simply silly (and somewhat of a caricature of the left's most extreme weak points), it doesn't matter. Congrats on another post by the biggest racist here: you.

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Poster: alycabally Date: Oct 16, 2008 3:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

Well, the swift boat GOP funded veterans for "truth" chose to denigrate John Kerry, a guy who served two tours in Viet Nam, so they could get morons to vote for a guy who couldn't remember where he spent his national Guard time.

I guess liberal vets don't matter, do they?

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Oct 17, 2008 5:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

The problem is, no one has ever disproved anything the Swifites said. No one ever said Kerry didn't serve in VietNam; he just got caught telling a bunch of bullshit stories about what he did when he was there.

The bottom line is, Murtha and Kerry are both proven liars.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 17, 2008 8:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

We all know the stupid things bush has said, how could we not see them parodied and repeated repeatedly over and over. Republicans get 7 times more jokes made about them than democrats, wonder why... anyway, this is how the idiot bush beat him...

“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”

Hear it in this song:

http://www.archive.org/details/Iraq_song

"You bet we might have."

"I actually did vote for the $87 billion, before I voted against it."

Audio proof here:

http://www.archive.org/details/extremism

Also has him supporting bush's decision to "invade" iraq.

"The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country."

I would hope so.

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."

I don't beleive that.

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'."

Kinda like biden's 3 letter word J-O-B-S jobs...

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."

flux capacitor?

"The future will be better tomorrow."

I disagree, the future will be better yesterday.

"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world."

Actually not true, a lot of the people that get pell grants and gas allowances and housing allowances will take their education back to their country after exploiting us.

See for yourself:
http://www.caribeprogram.com/

Wish I could get something free... I'll be paying for school forever.

"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."

Subliminal message?

"Public speaking is very easy."

Apparently not, john should stick to forum posts, at least you can revise or delete them!

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."

No shit?

"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."

Can't wait for this one. It's like deja vu all over again.

"For NASA, space is still a high priority."

I would hope so.

"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."

wrong on many levels, yes the profession that teaches is teachers but children learn great things from community organizers at militant dance squad meetings too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onXd8iH3OVQ

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."

thank god

"Its time for the human race to enter the solar system."

I am ready

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."

Yeah, that is my point.

When a dude like bush beats your cyborg and frankenstein creations you should consider finding another JFK or at least a clinton for pete's sake.

Unfortunatly, we have to endure another carter to see another reagan and that sucks, but we shall overcome. Let's hope we can get pelosi and harry out of congress to minimize the damage or shit will get ugly for a while for sure.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 18, 2008 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

My last word.

This is a Grateful Dead forum. I've never started a political thread on here, and I've certainly never hijacked a music thread to spew my politics, things you do just about every day. You are polluting my Grateful Dead experience with your political bullshit, daily - and isn't that exactly what pissed you off at Bob, Phil Bill & Mickey recently?

You are a giant screaming hypocrite - "the Grateful Dead is no place fo politics unless it happens to be my own".

If you come on here spewing your hateful shit, you have to expect responses, and you don't get to be all outraged just because someone is a little snide and calls you a couple of names. Keep your filthy fucking politics out of here, and you won't hear any of mine.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 18, 2008 9:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

My last word.

This is a Grateful Dead forum. I've never started a political thread on here, and I've certainly never hijacked a music thread to spew my politics, things you do just about every day. You are polluting my Grateful Dead experience with your political bullshit, daily - and isn't that exactly what pissed you off at Bob, Phil Bill & Mickey recently?

You are a giant screaming hypocrite - "the Grateful Dead is no place fo politics unless it happens to be my own".

If you come on here spewing your hateful shit, you have to expect responses, and you don't get to be all outraged just because someone is a little snide and calls you a couple of names. Keep your filthy fucking politics out of here, and you won't hear any of mine.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 16, 2008 3:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

>>No, Murtha is a traitor for smearing marines with documented falsehoods.>>

If you could document facts it would be a different story.


>>Congrats on another post by the biggest racist here: you.>>

I'm must be a self-hating white person, or perhaps what you'd call a "race traitor"!

But "we" have killed millions of people in our illegal immoral criminal wars of aggression.

But seriously, the ignorance of so many white people IS frightening. How can so many miss outright lies by the Palin/McCain campaign?! Palin brazenly lies when she says Alaska clear her of ethics violations; it could be more clear.

Another example, "Waterboard/ Barack Obama" was on the Sacramento Republicans' website. More strangeness can be found in this report:
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/mccainpalin-supporters-let-their-rac

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 16, 2008 3:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

If you could document facts it would be a different story.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/28/AR2008032801923.html

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/17/haditha.charges/

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/09/haditha.charges.dropped/index.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/17/iraq/main4185854.shtml?source=related_story

Take your pick, I left out fox who sold obama 30 minutes on prime time, but they make him out to be a freak...

But "we" have killed millions of people in our illegal immoral criminal wars of aggression.

Again, both houses of congress, UN resolutions and over 20 countries went along with the "criminal war". Who do you hang out with? No one calls you on this stuff? Carter, Kerry , Clinton... google it or listen to Big Bang Machine and here some of them for yourself:

http://www.archive.org/details/bigbangmachine

But seriously, the ignorance of so many white people IS frightening.

That is racist and a generalization. You are not scared of the these people?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mvP0ArKIGY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5p3OB6roAg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKIwhwKoUt8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvEQRyjbVfs

You should be, you are alligning yourself with them...

How can so many miss outright lies by the Palin/McCain campaign?! Palin brazenly lies when she says Alaska clear her of ethics violations; it could be more clear.

Again, this and keating 5 amount to 1/10th of the stuff you ignore about obama and still vote for him, weird huh? With that logic, ayers is equal to mcveigh... and he is anyway. Stay consistent.

Another example, "Waterboard/ Barack Obama" was on the Sacramento Republicans' website.

And was taken down by GOP after complaints, more crazy californians that needed to be put in check once again.

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Oct 17, 2008 5:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

AS NC points out, the facts are out there and well established; sorry if you don't read enough to stay current. I have no idea whether you're a "self-hating white person", but you certainly are a racist- no question about that.

And let's be clear: there is only you and I; there is no "we".

This post was modified by the_full_monte on 2008-10-17 12:30:52

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 17, 2008 10:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

You're right there is no we. I did not approve of the phony illegal and immoral war, and happily did not believe the lies as they were told.


>>Again, this and keating 5 amount to 1/10th of the stuff you ignore about obama and still vote for him, weird huh? With that logic, ayers is equal to mcveigh... and he is anyway. Stay consistent.>>>

Again The Keating 5 is know influence peddling, and of course Keating was one of McCain's biggest supporters from the start.

You seem to be talking to yourself more than me; or intermittent conversations are hard to follow. Ayers did not kill anyone as far as I heard, while McViegh and friends killed children even. I have to say I didn't like some of the things I heard Ayers wife say on film -- but in any case whatever they did is not connected to Obama!

That would be like saying that Palin is a terroist because she associated with Henry Kissinger, who is wanted in several countries. Or, that McCain is a terrorist because he bombed innocent people before the last of his habitual crashing of the plane he piloted. Of course that IS crazy.


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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 17, 2008 10:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

Saying Murtha is a traitor makes less sense than saying traitors are people who have subverted the constitution and their oaths of office, who violated treaties, who claim they have the power to secretly eliminate any law they want, who support and train death squads and torture.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 18, 2008 9:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

Saying Murtha is a traitor makes less sense than saying traitors are people who have subverted the constitution and their oaths of office, who violated treaties, who claim they have the power to secretly eliminate any law they want, who support and train death squads and torture.

And amazingly a democratic congress and a judicial system cannot prove or do anything about it. It's all rhetoric. That's like saying obama is a terrorist. It's not true and doesn't serve any purpose. Log off the daily kos and look up those things you speak of and you will find the truth.

What laws were eliminated? Who was murdered? oh wait... bush is not running again, I can stop now anyway...

Mccain isn't against torture?

Are you for real?

People are reading this...

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 22, 2008 1:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

Many like you are blind to evildoings of Republicans, while pointing fingers at the DemocRATS -- who never seem to disappoint in their won foibles. Sure other Presidents have used signing statements, but not like these folks. The avalanche of exposures of corruption of the right-wing is amazing.

Come on, the "Christian" Sarah Palin violated ethics laws and abused her power and even tries to twist the plain language of the independent legislative investigation.

Both Bush and McCain clearly said they aspired to be dictators (it's on YouTube so it has to be true). The war on Iraq is just on example of illegal, unjust, and immoral actions by this administration. If you can't see it is wrong, you'll never see the other stuff.

What think is sweet now in this world turns so sour in the next, or in the bardo when you're down on Rue Morgue Avenue. You think you know what's good news, but you might have to have them all pulled out after the Savoy truffle.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 22, 2008 3:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The defense rested 4 days ago for the record

I am far from blind, thanks!

What palin did compared to what obama stands for or advocates? Come on, man. Not even close.

Listen to rudy...
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

He has crossdressed and doesn't throw a bible around so maybe you will listen to him.

Personally, I think we should be way more agressive with tyrants and genocidal murderers abroad than bush or mccain. Think about this, everyone thought saddam had WMD and he didn't, thank whomever you pray to. Both dems and republicans were for disarming him, even carter! Now obama was against going into iraq even when we thought he had WMD! For real, that is some fucked up shit, no?

Yeah and this is on youtube too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyspCRmJv7w

So what?

Murder in the rue morgue is a great iron maiden song, I know that much.

If the country has really swung this far to the left we are screwed and there is no denying it. I never voted for mccain, I was for guliani and you are lucky he or romney didn't get in there and make a mockery of mr poetry at the debates and end this charade once and for all.

I don't even like evangelicals or old people by the way. I just despise people like obama who praise literary works by people who tell teenagers to kill their parents. I hate people who go to church and admit in their own books they heard the preacher talking about hiroshima and other soundbytes you have heard, unless you are blocking out all the racists and anti american shit being said due to blind loyalty yourself. I can't stand people who want to give stuff to people who didn't earn it from my wallet. If obama wins I hope he includes me in his new deal, I sure didn't benefit from the last new deal and that is undebateable.

It's over, you won. None of us are voting, you can call off the dogs now and save a trip to the polls.

I give up.


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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 22, 2008 5:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The defense rested 4 days ago for the record

Give-up? Venom doesn't find rest so easy.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 22, 2008 5:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The defense rested 4 days ago for the record

"I never voted for mccain, I was for guliani and you are lucky he or romney didn't get in there and make a mockery of mr poetry at the debates and end this charade once and for all."

Oh, I'm sure those guys would have done real well in debates. After all, Rudy knows how to chant "drill baby drill!" like an 8th grader at a pep rally. A real sophisticate.
Giuliani, whose one and only platform he ran on was 9/11. What exactly did he DO after 9/11 anyway? Oh, yeah...he walked around with a bullhorn and showed up at every ceremony but was universally despised by the NYFD and NYPD for hogging all the credit and doing absolutely nothing for those guys when the chips were down and the bill came due. Go talk to a real NYC cop or fireman about how Giuliani fought them tooth and nail for benefits and pay raises every single year he was mayor but then couldn't put a baseball cap w/NYFD on his fat head fast enough after the tragedy. (I know several of these guys personally....seriously...if you want their contact info, just ask).

romney...a Mormon, whose own "church" didn't even allow blacks into their fold until the 1970's...who actually stood up during the RNC and said "we have to change the power structure of elite liberalism in Washington" when he and his right wing cronies had been in chagre of the country for the past 8 years.

Wow. So glad you had some excellent folks lined up instead of McCain. what a relief.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 22, 2008 6:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The defense rested 4 days ago for the record

I think I will go chant tribal praise to your cult leader! Funny thing is, almost every single person I know, that gets paid 1099 or owns their own business, feels the same way I do. I mentioned that I dealt with you guys at the office tonight and they couldn't beleive it.

I guess lincoln was a racist and carter was a great leader and tim mveigh is a freedom fighter in bizarro world too.

You guys crack me up!

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 22, 2008 7:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The defense rested 4 days ago for the record

Maybe the Obama tax cut you get will make you feel a bit better. If not, donate it to the Rex Foundation or something.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 23, 2008 2:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The defense rested 4 days ago for the record

"I think I will go chant tribal praise to your cult leader! Funny thing is, almost every single person I know, that gets paid 1099 or owns their own business, feels the same way I do. I mentioned that I dealt with you guys at the office tonight and they couldn't beleive it.
I guess lincoln was a racist and carter was a great leader and tim mveigh is a freedom fighter in bizarro world too."

Yes. we can't believe you deal with us either. It's funny, b/c you're the one who constantly hijacks threads about Grateful Dead music to spew your paranoid political views. No one here asked you to, that's for sure. Then, of course you always fall back on your non-sequitors:

I make a post about Giuliani and how I know several NYC firemen and cops who hate his living guts and have good reason to, and you respond with 'I guess Lincoln was a racist and Carter was a great leader"...which has nothing to do at all w/my post.

As I've mentioned before (and any high school student of history could tell you), today's GOP has NOTHING to do with the Republican leader Lincoln was...he would have despised today's GOP and all you "big government oughta get outta our hair" conservatives would have run him out of town on a rail.

Do you not recall from your history books that Lincoln's mission (actually accomplished unlike a certain sitting lame duck President) was to assert FEDERAL control over rogue states? That he did everything in his power to preserve the UNION of the United States under federal rule of law to save the country and to end the practice of slavery, which the south argued should be a question left only to the STATES? Sound familiar? Sound like today's GOP? Uh-huh, you betcha!

Using Lincoln as an example of why Republicans today are the better party would be funny if it wasn't so incredibly pathetic.

Hey, if you don't want to deal with us "liberal, socialist" lefties anymore, fine with us! Go back to your fear-mongering hordes of right-wingers who think Obama is secretly trying to take away your guns and don't forget to fortify your bomb shelters. No problem here.

But dude, if the best you can come up with in response to a comment about Giuliani and Romney is "i guess Lincoln was a racist", you need to bone up on your debating skills...which are currently about as enlightening and mature as "Drill baby Drill!"

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 23, 2008 7:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The defense rested 4 days ago for the record

When you make such unfounded and historically inaccurate claims, don't get mad when I compare them to conspiracy and fiction. It's not like you are saying, "I believe rasising taxes on capital gains and business is good for economic growth" or "so and so's policy was good because _____ " you just start with personal attacks on me and every other person with common sense.

I already explained a few things but here they are again.

If you look into it you will probably notice that I don't regularly hijack music threads, I respond to posts from you and others that are not true or exaggerated. I also do not try to say things that are so far from what is common knowledge that people would be like , "are you kidding?"

Examples would be saying carter was anything but the most pacifist and incompetent president in history, ignoring the accomplishments of reagan, trying to compare things like troopergate to a racist preacher and criminal professor who, surprize, could only get a free pass in chicago, manhattan or socal. Everyone else in the country puts him in the same category as tim mcveigh.

Since when are you against hijackers anyway?

Back to the point, whenever I give you proof of my position you blast me in stereotypical fashion and I bet you don't even consider anyone else's point of view. I gladly admit that bush is poor speaker and comes off like an idiot, palin's voice is annoying and mccain is old. Ever considered finding any fault in your own team? Ever admit that joe biden is the gaffmaster? Didn't get a chuckle out of all the idiotic stuff kerry said that I posted? I am not getting these things from some right wing hate website or something, this stuff is all public record. I know about cointelpro and watergate and do I defend them? Of course not! Hello! Are you getting any of this?

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 23, 2008 7:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The defense rested 4 days ago for the record

At least you're not trying to defend that little green football (grenade) about Lincoln.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 23, 2008 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The defense rested 4 days ago for the record

It's because I missed it. I am fighting the wermacht on one side, the kamikazi's on the other and looking over my shoulder at the red army who's supposed to be on my side, so some stuff slips by!

Never trust the red army by the way.

I am not going to defend reagan or bash carter anymore, today, history is online.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 23, 2008 8:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The defense rested 4 days ago for the record

If you're a jihadi, you'd better be steady.

Here's a story I also found in a movie, where it was supposedly a Zen story:

"In the heat of the battle, Imam Ali found himself straddling his enemy. A skilled and stealthy warrior, the fourth Caliph of Islam was always decisive in battle. Fighting only when the cause was just and necessary, he now held his sword high, ready to deliver the final blow.

Then came the great insult. The enemy, seeing his end was near, spit violently into Imam Ali’s face. The sword came down suddenly, not into the man’s heart, but back into its sheath. Imam Ali quickly got up and withdrew from the fight.

The spared combatant looked relieved and exasperated. Why had the great Ali let him live? I was fighting you for the sake of Allah, in the name of God, Imam Ali declared. When you spit in my face I felt anger rise up within me, he continued, and I realized that I was going to smite you, not in the name of justice, but out of revenge for your insult – that was something that I could not do."

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 23, 2008 7:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The defense rested 4 days ago for the record

Oh, yes sir! Indeed I am "getting it."

I've criticized many Democrats on these posts about a million times. Want me to do it again to prove I'm not just touting the "party line"? Here goes:

Gore had no one but himself to blame for losing to Bush in 2000. If he had spent 5 minutes campaigning in his own home state of TN, Florida would have been a footnote. I've had screaming fights w/Democrats who blamed me for voting for Nader in 2000 and somehow "costing Gore the election" (even tho' I don't live in Fla.) I fought back and called them whiners, which they were.

I never once made a post about Carter, so why do you keep bringing him up? I also think his comments about "Israeli apartheid" in regards to Palestinians are appalling and ridiculous.

You want to link Obama to terrorism b/c of your fear of Rev. Wright? Try this on for size: Sarah Palin's HUSBAND joined an Alaska secessionist movement whose leader said this: "The flames of hell cannot compare with the hatred I have for America. When I die I refuse to buried under the American flag." (True to his word, he was buried in Canada). Funny how it's such a scandal that Obama's Reverend says "Goddam America" and that's cause for outrage, but when the HUSBAND of the woman who would be VP joins a movement whose leader said those things, it's no big deal. Who's the hypocrite again?

Finally...I responded directly to what you had to say--and always pull out of your hat--about Lincoln, and you have nothing to say in response b/c you know you're wrong.

Trying to justify today's pathetic GOP with Lincoln as a Republican is just so ridiculous for the reasons I stated in the last post, and I don't need to repeat them. You consistently mock Democrats and make sarcastic comments about people who would vote for Obama (and as I've stated before, he is not my "savior" or even my first choice; only far better a choice than mccain/palin) then get all defensive when we fight back.

Oh, and how charitable to admit that Bush was a joke b/c he spoke funny and McCain is "old." Jeezus, if those were the actual problems I had w/either of those guys I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Bush's policies over the past 8 years--and do i REALLY have to list them for you again? are what I object to, not the fact that he's an idiot who says things like "The children is our future" and is a national embarrassment due to the way he speaks.

AGAIN....my post had to do w/the fact that you consistently and wrongly point to Lincoln as an example of TODAY's Republican party being somehow more noble or competent that the Dems...NOT Carter, or even Obama....but you go off on that track because you don't like being proven wrong.

and AGAIN, if you need to hear from several hardworking, VERY American, red white and blue, country-first cops and firemen who despise Giuliani beyond words, I will happily let them know your thoughts on how he would make a great president.

Now respond with some completely irrelevant comment about Obama, Tim McVegh, and socialism. I can hardly wait.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 23, 2008 7:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Random political thoughts

Hey GC; to the degree Reagan gets WAY too much credit (Soviets finished themselves off way before the cowboy arrived; his tax plans were repealed immediately BUT the deregulation ethos stuck; he really blew it with Lebanon, Central American and the Iranians), I think that Carter suffers unduely. I do agree that some of the stuff coming out of his mouth of late is astounding, but having lived thru it, the 70s, he did some things right on the economy that saw the turn around that came in the 80s as a result...

None of my biz, but I do think that you guys are handling yourselves in a civil and relatively intelligent fashion in these little interactions (at least I hope you aren't all too bent out of shape by it)...I enjoy reading them now and again.

Not sure why I got involved here--lost my train of thought; I will say that as far as the "bad guys" of the world coming to get us, I think that the Saddams and the Khadfis are/were the least of our worries. Tyrants of those sorts have too much to deal with on the local front...and, I would also say Israel can take care of herself. On the other hand, anyone that can discuss Nyquist Frequency coherently, and tries this hard probably has something to offer...

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 23, 2008 8:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Random political thoughts

always appreciate your thoughtful comments, WT....as well as your suggestions for late 60's Dead!

I'll try to re-asses some of my feelings about Carter. I think he may have meant well (and was certainly hurt by the hostage debacle in 1979) but I really was disappointed with his recent comments essentially blaming Israel for everything wrong w/the Palestinian conflict.

Suicide bombers and never-ending rocket attacks into N.Israel by Hezbollah continue to affect the situation there, and Carter seems to downplay that.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 23, 2008 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Random political thoughts

Absofuckinlutely! Carter today should be gagged whenever the Mideast comes up...what a looney tunes...just sorta liked him in the late 70s but after Nixon and Ford, how could I not?

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Poster: veblen Date: Oct 23, 2008 8:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Random political thoughts

I just have never been able to believe the georgia jc after he witnessed the six foot rabbit while fishing...that was just too much...and even if you do see a six foot rabbit, you don't tell it to newsweek...or really, anyone for that matter...

but if you lived through the 70's and you hear the energy cries of today you just sit and wonder: "didn't we go through this once..."

hopefully we get it right the second time and it doesn't take a third...

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 23, 2008 8:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Random political thoughts

Well bush destroyed wallstreet to drive oil down to below $80 a barrel so we can ignore it and concentrate on the medical insurance pandemic and joe the fucking plumber instead.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 23, 2008 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Random political thoughts

He loved jelly beans and carter loved peanuts, it's cut and dry.

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Poster: srtg83 Date: Oct 15, 2008 8:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

Good point Earl, however nobody likes to admit their reservation against a candidate just because of the color of his skin. Certainly not with zero consequences answering a poll... That all changes when your at the ballot box making your decision irrevocable. It is soon down to the wire and Obama's got a double digit lead and the state by state analysis does not look any better for the Republicans. If McCain takes this at the end, there will certainly be questions.

I wonder if there is some internal polling the Dems have that show reality being distorted in the publicly available numbers or Murtha was simply mobilizing the national base not to be complacent.



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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Oct 15, 2008 5:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

I don't understand the point you're making at all. Please advise.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Oct 15, 2008 5:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

The elected Democratic representative from Pennsylvania just called about a third of his own constituents racists. If this is an accurate portrayal of your own thinking I could understand why you would think it to be no big deal. If anyone that didn't know me personally referred to me in that manner, I would need to exercise some form of retribution, like voting his ass out of office, and his cronies for extra measure.

Not to mention, stereotyping folks in that way who may have voted for you is probably just bad juju.

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Poster: waynecs Date: Oct 15, 2008 6:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

His only error is he probably underestimated the percentage.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Oct 15, 2008 7:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

The bottom line is that these "racist" folks apparently have not appeared on the polling radar...so 4% of the population are essentially renegades, uncounted to date. If this kind of phenomenon holds true in other areas, specifically swing states, the whole shooting match tightens way up.

It also gives the Dems a great cop out should BO lose. "John McCain, elected by the racist vote." Just ask Jack Murtha, resident expert.

(Mark my words on this one.)



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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 16, 2008 2:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

I am saying that when jessie jackson says things about us being controlled by zionists it blows over and is no big deal. When murtha calls millionis of people racist, it's no big deal.

If I was a prominent republican, black or white and said all the black people voting for obama because he was black are racist or said los angeles county was racist because all the hispanics voted for a hispanic candidate and not a white person the outrage from the media and "civil rights" activists would be vicious and unrelenting (mel gibson, imus, etc).

White people lose their jobs saying things far less offensive than what non whites can say all day long.

Republicans are not inherently racist but are portrayed as gung clinging, bible clutching red necks and that's ok.

Does anyone know who ran against slavery and segregation that were the fabric of the democratic party not that long ago?

And yeah, I know that was then and this is now. Ever wonder why?

It doesn't bother anyone that someone can put up a website called deconstructing whiteness and it not's labelled as hatespeech, it's actually part of college curriculum!

I have heard people say that black people cannot be racist... seriously? So when I was riding my bike home many years ago and black kids yelled, "kill that white boy" and threw bottles and 2x4's at me, it was just a natural reaction to my irish immigrant ancestors not owning slaves?

There are racist assholes on all sides, when someone is guilty of something, they love to redefine that something and use double standards.

Liberals are constantly calling republicans, nazi's and murderers and poeple think it's funny. Has anyone ever met a jewish person with a number tattooed on their arm? I have, and it's against their religion to have tattoos. The number was from a concentration camp and throwing "hitler" around dimnishes thier plight, I am offended and I am not jewish.

Accusing someone of war crimes and other stuff, when the system would try them if there were any evidence, used to be called libel and slander.

The things that are said from the leftosphere if said from the right would be hatecrimes and firable offenses. We have become vitims of political correctness and hypcritical double standards out of guilt for shit we didn't do. I have nothing against anyone until they prove they are an asshole, black or white, left or right. Assholes are assholes.

I posted a bunch of outrageous quotes on here a while ago that you would think were said at klan rallies but were said by democrats with impunity.

I tried to show the connection between all the extremists, left and right and how they have moderates as a common enemy and was accused of being paranoid... even though half the people in the videos are conspiracists and loony's themselves.

The message was that extremism is dangerous and anytime religious fundamentalists, fascists and socialists are on the same side, we should be on the other.

The kkk, black panthers, cahavez, castro and jihadists all seem to have one common enemy. Rational thinking, middle class americans who won't buy into socialism, fascism or racism as a lifestyle or goal.

It just so happens that a lot of people voting democrat also, if not refusing to condemn, are condoning or even associating with some of these poeple.

How can you forgive Klansman Byrd? George Wallace (ironically associated with mccain by a democrat recently) and other democrats were balls deep in the white supremacy movement. It was their friggin logo until 1966 for crying out loud. The first black politicians were all republicans and were elected to congress as early as the late 1880's if that isn't progressive, what the fuck is? Shit MLK was republican and a democrat shot him....

I am not making this shit up.

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Oct 16, 2008 4:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

You don;t happen to live in a cabin buried deep in the woods surrounded by mounted rifles and booby traps, do you? You seem to be a little paranoid and even though your points make sense at the most basic level of logic, I think you really have no clue.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 16, 2008 4:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

Is the PA for racist penn or attorney... they are listening....

But seriously, I am not abe lincoln or david karesh.

A apreciate you giving me credit and not calling me hitler!

I am not a conspiracist. I don't think bush is a lizard and jews blew up trade center with demolition charges. I believe we went to moon and a marine shot JFK. I don't think obama is a terrorist, con artist... well maybe con artist but I do question why he would share even the slightest views of extremist left wing socialist that want to "spread the wealth around". Shit I am not rich but I wouldn't want someone to pay more of a percentage in taxes that I do and can't stand the fact that someone who works less ferociuosly than I do pays a smaller portion.

Level the playing field and let the successful succeed and the failure fail. We pay people not to succeed and that is inherantly wrong. Anyone who thinks we do not have enough welfare, housing and food stamp programs has never collected or had a parent collect them.

They are a crutch not a career.

Let's cut the bullshit, not you, just in general. Let's all get real and put aside all this name calling and partisan bickering and start a new fucking party.

I can't stand either party anymore, but at least one party ain't after my money, my guns and my bible.. actually I don't have one but I have read it, not for me though.

I think some obvious things are overlooked and I can't for the life of me figure out how this is happening...

The ecnonomy taking a dump on w's watch is the problem I know, but sending in a hoover or making a new new deal is not the answer either.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 18, 2008 9:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

My last word.

This is a Grateful Dead forum. I've never started a political thread on here, and I've certainly never hijacked a music thread to spew my politics, things you do just about every day. You are polluting my Grateful Dead experience with your political bullshit, daily - and isn't that exactly what pissed you off at Bob, Phil Bill & Mickey recently?

You are a giant screaming hypocrite - "the Grateful Dead is no place fo politics unless it happens to be my own".

If you come on here spewing your hateful shit, you have to expect responses, and you don't get to be all outraged just because someone is a little snide and calls you a couple of names. Keep your filthy fucking politics out of here, and you won't hear any of mine.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 18, 2008 9:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

My last word.

This is a Grateful Dead forum. I've never started a political thread on here, and I've certainly never hijacked a music thread to spew my politics, things you do just about every day. You are polluting my Grateful Dead experience with your political bullshit, daily - and isn't that exactly what pissed you off at Bob, Phil Bill & Mickey recently?

You are a giant screaming hypocrite - "the Grateful Dead is no place fo politics unless it happens to be my own".

If you come on here spewing your hateful shit, you have to expect responses, and you don't get to be all outraged just because someone is a little snide and calls you a couple of names. Keep your filthy fucking politics out of here, and you won't hear any of mine.

So you are tito? I don't get this?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 15, 2008 5:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

Hey Pat--given the prospect of a Great Depression, I thought the above would be appropriate. It seems to have something to do with "native intelligence" so it may address the issue you raise.

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Oct 15, 2008 7:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

I still don't get it. Does he want to be able to call people racist too, and he's jealous because he thinks that republicans can't get away with it?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 15, 2008 8:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

To be honest, I haven't paid enough attention to have an opinion, but some how the Will Rogers quote seemed appropriate since you could apply it whatever your take on it (he's a dumb, or may be he's a dumb racist, or the folks he called out are dumb racists, or we're all just dumb asses for commenting on it or...).

If there is one thing I am confident about, it's my own ignorance.

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Poster: veblen Date: Oct 15, 2008 9:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

thanks for mentioning will, since I have been trying to think who said that line...

being from western pa I was beginning to write on racism in the area and some old pirate jokes but thought better of it so I am returning to 69-01-17 santa barbara:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-01-17.sbd.miller.89798.sbeok.flac16

Dark Star > St. Stephen > The Eleven > Death Don't Have No Mercy then Cryptical Envelopment > Drums > The Other One > Cryptical Envelopment> Cosmic Charlie

69 began in fine fashion...pigpen totally smashed...and a really outstanding show...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 16, 2008 7:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

That's the spirit! What better way to combat hatred and bigotry and ignorance but with a trip to my favorite institution of higher learning?! It really is a beautiful part of the country.

Thanks.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 15, 2008 5:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Will Rogers, aka William Tell speaks again

"Why don't they pass a constitutional amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as well as prohibition did, in five years Americans would be the smartest race of people on Earth."

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Oct 16, 2008 1:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

"The elected Democratic representative from Pennsylvania just called about a third of his own constituents racists."

John Murtha is just another senile old man just like the Republican's own Vietnam war hero. Are his constituents still a bunch of RACISTS, if they vote this piece of WHITE TRASH out of office? You'd think that they'd of gotten rid of this crook before; because the FBI has been watching him for several years now.

Nice to see that the Democrat who replaced Mark Foley in Florida, is just another asshole who treats women like his personal hoes. Same goes for the Republican governor of Nevada, who threatened to rape a cocktail waittress. Neither one of those incumbent parties knows how to clean their own toilets. So I'm not voting for anybody with a D or a R in front of their names, not even for dog catcher. FUCK them all...


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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 16, 2008 5:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

"Neither one of those incumbent parties knows how to clean their own toilets. So I'm not voting for anybody with a D or a R in front of their names, not even for dog catcher. FUCK them all..."

I'm getting to that point..or was there and coming back.
D vs R is like arguing which shit tastes better


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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 16, 2008 3:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

>>I'm getting to that point..or was there and coming back.
D vs R is like arguing which shit tastes better>>

And yet you defend what you cannot see with a killers pride security in right wing rhetoric. You'll vote despite your comments, and as you said it'll be for the wrong wing.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 16, 2008 4:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

"And yet you defend what you cannot see with a killers pride security in right wing rhetoric. You'll vote despite your comments, and as you said it'll be for the wrong wing."

Are you walt whitman or martin sheen?


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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 16, 2008 5:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

I'm an errand boy sent by a clerk aka Zimmerman.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 22, 2008 3:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: I just want to annoy you at this point

I farted.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 22, 2008 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I just want to annoy you at this point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXY8cWYdQog

Enjoy.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 22, 2008 4:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I just want to annoy you at this point

No!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 16, 2008 4:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

Unfortunately as the right swings towards center the left keeps drifting father down the ho chi ming the merciless trail. Why can't we have another JFK to lose to? Oh, a socialist democrat killed him...

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Poster: reddrider Date: Oct 16, 2008 4:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

We already did the JFK-splatter thread.

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=191884

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 16, 2008 5:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

>> another JFK to lose>>

Ahh, a lone gunman (with magic bullets) theoretician.

Who was more merciless -- Ho Chi Minh(g) (not my fav) or people who designed and delivered millions of tons of WMDs killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, even refining napalm so that the Vietnamese could extinguish the burning with water?

You don't have to be a Commie or Capitalist sympathizer to know what wrong is. Can you forgive poor grammar when a statement is true?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 22, 2008 3:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Marine rifleman cannot hit anything

Watching too much oliver stone are we?

Oswald enlisted in the Marine Corps in October 1956, a week after his seventeenth birthday. He received extensive training and instruction in aiming and sighting firearms. In December, he was tested using the standard issued Caliber .30, M1 and scored 212, two points above the minimum qualification for sharpshooter. In the Warren Commission Report, Maj. Sgt. James A. Zahm said of Oswald's marksmanship abilities: "I would say in the Marine Corps he is a good shot, slightly above average and as compared to the average male. . . he is an excellent shot."

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 22, 2008 5:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Marine rifleman cannot hit anything

Ah Oswald, the Manchurian candidate and "lone" gunman.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 22, 2008 5:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Marine rifleman cannot hit anything

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

what a (bum) trip

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 22, 2008 6:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Marine rifleman cannot hit anything

Talking to yourself?

"...like clapping with one had, what is it? caught in a mosh"

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 22, 2008 7:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Marine rifleman cannot hit anything

Oswald:

not just a prison but a Manchurian Candidate. Kinda like you, but without the multimedia.

By the way, check out "The Search for the Manchurian Candidate," New York: Times Books, 1979, by John Marks.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 23, 2008 7:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Marine rifleman cannot hit anything

Yeah the clockwork orange programming should be kicking in any minute now. Just because I don't go along with what is "cool" and "hip" because my integrity is worth more than my "street cred" on hate street makes me a communist zombie waiting for a trigger word.

I guess we are back to insults, so here we go:

dick

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Poster: byronious Date: Oct 16, 2008 4:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Murtha does it again, racist pennsylvanians!

Noise Collector, Do you listen to the Grateful Dead?